Different styles against Wing Chun - a letter submitted

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Posted by: Ray Van Raamsdonk - December 2, 2003 (3:12 p.m.) - 207.194.198.106
Before Wing Chun I trained in Karate and Hung style. I have seen very good people in both arts. Then in 1976 I met a Yip Man student by the name of Patrick Chow who defeated me easily by having superior tactics and not on speed or strength. Also coming from a mathematical background the Wing Chun theory just really appealed to me and the training was very interesting. After all these years I don't see any reason why Wing Chun cannot do well against any style. Usually the limiting factors are lack of experience, lack of conditioning, not learning about the other style you fight, etc.

To me Wing Chun is just the very good core actions and principles from Chinese fighting. It has some similarities to boxing and fencing. I think people shouldn't wonder if Wing Chun can beat this or that. I think the idea in one's mind should be to make it work. You make the art work by developing the skill not by relying on it to work without the hard work and may failures on the way. Each failure is a learning experience.

I think Wing Chun is just like a taste. Some people like apples and others like oranges. Some people like the soft flowing actions of Yang style Tai Chi. Others don't like that and like the variety that Chen style Tai Chi offers and feel it is better for fighting. But Yang style people will say they can match the fighting. So any martial artist tries to make their art work. Wing Chun to me is about economy. However all arts say they are about economy. But we do seem to move less in general. For any specific application every art can have a simultaneous strike and counter just like Wing Chun. So one idea can't define the art. The art is really the smooth operation of all of it's elements which work together like the parts in a well running engine. when a good guy fights, you can see the SLT, CK, BJ, Dummy all integrated together depending on the circumstance. Wing Chun people can also develop arms and shins of steel and in fact there are such hard core individuals around.

However for most people Wing Chun is just a hobby and so they have no need to fight the Thai boxers and condition in that way. Most people have to go to work the next day and can't afford to get hurt and take time off from work. Also many people later get married and have families and so can't afford to train 7 days a week 7 hours a day like some of Yip Man's students (today's masters) did.

Ifind for myself that all the Wing Chun actions are very natural. I enjoy looking at Hung style very much but I wouldn't be able to put in enough hours to make that art work for me. For myself I also have some torn knee ligaments and injuries of that sort would limit what types of arts one can do. So TaeKwonDo is out. Thoes with back injuries would likewise tend to keep away from grapling arts.

These days mixed martial arts is in vogue. This has a positive aspect to become a more well rounded fighter but has the negative aspect that good (once proven in real combat) traditional styles would slowly disappear. For me it is interesting to see Preying Mantis against wing Chun or Tai Chi against Karate. But now it's mixed martial artist against mixed martial artist.

It takes a long time to be able to apply one's art against skilled opponents. It is easy to apply one's art in movie style against inferior opponents. In Hung style you would train 10 years solid before you were ready to apply it to fighting. Then by constantly fighting, by trial and error, by getting beat, by getting tips from the teacher, you would slowly learn to become a Hung style fighter. These days realistic combat is someone shoots you or ten people attack you either empty hand or with machete's.

They say Hung style trains you to fight 10 people at once. Then when you fight one person he gets the intensity of you fighting ten people. However when I see the tactics used for multiple opponent fighting , I see parallels with the Wing Chun technique. This means I see an equivalent idea and application that we also have. So it's just a matter of how you train. I think the Wing Chun theory is pretty good.

Even arts that people consider garbage like Aikido are actually pretty good in the hands of a fighter. I know someone who has a background in TaeKwonDo, Iron Palm, Judo, Preying Mantis, White Crane, Arnis and Wing Chun and he is very effective in his art of Aikido. At the lower levels the art is practiced big so that many counters are possible. But at the higher levels in the real application, it is very short and applied such that no counters or nice rolling falls are possible.

They say there are no bad martial arts, just bad martial artists.
Victoria Wing Chun




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